Peter Lim y Meriton-Basura en estado puro

[beltran de urdaneta]

Un poco? Habían tirado a Marcelino y querían tirar a Alemany, después de dos clasificaciones para champions tras haber estado en la mierda, tras ganar la Copa del Rey tras un porrón de años sin títulos, y habían traido a Celades. Y LA MITAD DE LA AFICIÓN JUSTIFICÁNDOLO O ADMITIÉNDOLO O DICIENDO QUE MARCELINO SE LO HABÍA GANADO POR DESAFIAR A LA PROPIEDAD. Y así estuvimos tragando mierda toda la temporada. Desde entonces no me indetifico con la afición y aún tengo más desafección por lo que quedaba de mi equipo, si quedaba algo. Poco tenemos.

Te doy toda la razón y más , pero de ahi a hacer un atentado superviolento.............

[beltran de urdaneta]

a mi me gustaría que la final de copa , ya que no la juega el valencia , la jugaran el barcelona y el atlhetic(cuando escribo esto aun no se el resultado betis at bilbao) , porque son con los dos entrenadores que hemos conseguido los ultimos titulos Koeman y Marcelino

[abraxas]

LIMPIAMOS PROYECTOS DEPORTIVOS Y DEPURAMOS PLANTILLAS CAMPEONAS
ELIMINAMOS TODO TIPO DE ILUSIONES
LAVAMOS ÁREAS DE TRABAJO, PEÑAS Y CURVAS DE DIFÍCIL ACCESO.
ABRILLANTAMOS CARAS DURAS
HACEMOS MANTENIMIENTO DE FALTAS DE RESPETO
RETIRAMOS AÑOS DE HISTORIA Y ANIQUILAMOS LEYENDAS
VITRIFICAMOS AFICIONADOS Y BLOQUEAMOS CUALQUIER OPINIÓN
ADECENTAMOS CANTERAS PARA SU VENTA
PURIFICAMOS TODO TIPO DE ASPIRACIONES FUTBOLÍSTICAS

No quedará NADA, 100% garantizado. Nuestro pack Mendes incluye tarifa plana, contrátelo y olvídese de planificaciones

[Jonaroi]

Te doy toda la razón y más , pero de ahi a hacer un atentado superviolento.............

A ver como lo digo para que no se malinterprete. Estoy en contra de toda forma de violencia, y no quiero alentar ni directa ni indirectamente ningun ataque fisico contra la dirección, por mucho que repudie su gestion.

Lo unico que me "sorprende" es que, siendo el futbol un ambito donde se acercan personas con tendencias violentas, y habiendo tenido ya "aficionados" que llegaron a tambalear el coche de un pedazo de entrenador como Cuper, que nos llevó casi a la gloria, porque "se aburrian", no se le haya ocurrido a ninguna de esas "perlas" pasarse a tener un intercambio filosófico de pareceres con la banda asiatica del esmorssaret.

Vamos, no tenemos suerte ni para tener descerebrados en el momento correcto :idea:

[Goteborg90]

a mi me gustaría que la final de copa , ya que no la juega el valencia , la jugaran el barcelona y el atlhetic(cuando escribo esto aun no se el resultado betis at bilbao) , porque son con los dos entrenadores que hemos conseguido los ultimos titulos Koeman y Marcelino

Con todos mis respetos, los Koemanistas deberíais hacéroslo mirar.

[Marce]

A mi tb me sorprende q no pasaron más cosas desagradables...

Es muy fuerte lo q ha pasado este último año...han desmontado un proyecto q ilusionaba... de 2 profesionales serios...para acercarnos arriba...a una deriva con serio riesgo de descenso y posible desaparición...

Y aun habrá quien se extrañe el día q a alguno de le cruce el cable...

Me gustaría ver a mi a otras aficiones en esta situación

[beltran de urdaneta]

Con todos mis respetos, los Koemanistas deberíais hacéroslo mirar.

pues yo guardo un grato recuerdo de todos los entrenadores que han conseguido titulos con el Valencia que es a fin lo que queda y lo que hace grande a un club ,el historial ; desde que tengo uso de razon o desde que voy a Mestalla ;Scopelli, Mundo, Di Stefano, Pasieguito, Ranieri , Benitez ,Koeman, Marcelino y tb Cuper un entrenador perdedor que logró una supercopa de españa.

[ATV]

Koeman vino en un mal momento. No inventó el fútbol.

Aquí tuvo luces y sombras, con la espada de Damocles (los medios valencianís) siempre apuntándole por haber apartado, entre otros, al que todos sabemos (no voy a entrar de nuevo en el debate).

Como positivo dejó la apuesta por Mata (al que QSF por el mero hecho de haberlo traído Carboni no quiso ponerlo) y el título de copa del Rey. Como negativo, que no fue capaz de hacerse con el vestuario en ningún momento.

[nelo bacora]

pues yo guardo un grato recuerdo de todos los entrenadores que han conseguido titulos con el Valencia que es a fin lo que queda y lo que hace grande a un club ,el historial ; desde que tengo uso de razon o desde que voy a Mestalla ;Scopelli, Mundo, Di Stefano, Pasieguito, Ranieri , Benitez ,Koeman, Marcelino y tb Cuper un entrenador perdedor que logró una supercopa de españa.

Scopelli? Joder.

Ya te han vacunado?

[beltran de urdaneta]

Scopelli? Joder.

Ya te han vacunado?

por lo menos me deberías tener un respeto a las canas , vi ganar al valencia dos copas de ferias con siete u ocho años , así que mira si te puedo dar lecciones de valencianista

[abraxas]

¿Cómo vais de inglés? El cisma entre la afición y Lim, Murthy & Co. ha llegado al New York Times:

They Hailed the New Owner as a Savior. Then They Got to Know Him.
Deep pockets, new management and a Cup trophy seemed to herald better days at Valencia. It hasn’t worked out that way.


Valencia fans once filled the streets to welcome Peter Lim. Now they do the same, chanting for him to go.

By Tariq Panja
Feb. 5, 2021, 8:35 a.m. ET

Valencia fans had waited 11 years for this kind of celebration.

A generation earlier, their soccer team, Valencia C.F., had been one of the best clubs in Spain, a two-time Champions League finalist and a domestic champion. That was before financial crises and mismanagement had sent it into a yearslong tailspin.

Now, in the spring of 2019, the fans could start to believe again. Victory in the Copa del Rey, Spain’s domestic cup competition, had ended a decade-long trophy drought. A deep-pocketed billionaire with powerful soccer connections now owned the club. The trophy, and the money, would herald the start of a journey back to the top, back to relevance in La Liga, back to closing the gap with the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid.

So as thousands of fans lined the streets to salute the team’s conquering heroes, Valencia’s beaming chief executive, Anil Murthy, spoke excitedly as he surveyed the scene from the deck of an open-top bus.

“I have never seen anything like this in my life: It’s incredible,” Murthy told a live television interviewer as players took turns with the trophy. “Practically the entire city is in the streets supporting this great club.”

It did not take long for the mood to sour. Within months, the coach and the sporting director who had built Valencia’s cup-winning team had both been fired. Within a year, the team was offloading players to save money during the pandemic. Fans shut out from attending games because of coronavirus restrictions now protest the club’s ownership from outside it. Board members are heckled in the street.


Valencia has won only two league games since November, and currently sits 14th in the 20-team table.

Less than two years after Valencia paraded a trophy through its city, its new dawn has been replaced by disillusion, anger and cynicism.

“This is Valencia’s worst time,” said Gaspar Romero, who was born into a Valencia-obsessed family and whose grandfather once served as the club’s accountant. “My nightmare will be to see Valencia in this state for a long period of time, with no purpose, like a zombie club.”

Valencia’s new reality is a hollowed-out roster, weakened by the sale of top players in the off-season, and a team that struggles to win even once or twice a month. After a positive start to the new season last fall, which included a 4-1 destruction of Real Madrid, Valencia has cratered, tumbling down the table. That has put a renewed focus on the club’s one-time savior, the Singapore billionaire Peter Lim, a reclusive figure who prefers to stay out of the spotlight but — in Valencia, at least — can no longer avoid it.

It was not always this way. Romero, 32, recalled how when he was a boy, the team was one of the most feared squads in Europe. How fans in the steep-banked stands at its Mestalla stadium roared as talented players brought joy and pride to the city. There were consecutive trips to the Champions League final in 2000 and 2001 and a league title in 2004, when Valencia’s team brushed aside Barcelona and Real Madrid teams containing the likes of Ronaldinho and Zinedine Zidane.

By the time Lim entered the scene in 2014, though, a financial crisis had engulfed the club. Top talents like David Silva, David Villa and Juan Mata had been sold off to make ends meet, and a combination of bad management and mounting had only made things worse.

Lim’s interest in soccer predated his investment in Valencia. Earlier in his career as an investor, he had parlayed his love of the English club Manchester United into a business operating United-themed cafes and restaurants across Asia. That allowed Lim, now 67, to build relationships with a generation of United’s stars, players like Gary Neville, Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes and David Beckham. Those relationships spawned joint business ventures in the hospitality sector and, since 2014, a co-ownership of Salford City, a team that plays in English soccer’s fourth tier.

Lim’s affection for Valencia, the fallen Spanish giant, did not run nearly as deep.

“He planned to buy a football club and the opportunity of Valencia came along,” Murthy said. Lim provided the money to acquire the team; loyal lieutenants like Murthy and others were installed to run it.

To many Valencia fans, Lim’s management style has been part of the problem. They noticed, for example, that he spent the 2019 cup final in a private box with his friend Beckham but did not visit the locker room to congratulate the team.

Though they once chanted his name in the streets, believing him to be their club’s rescuer, many now believe he never understood what the team represents in its city.

“It is our essence, what we have loved for so long, what our parents told us about,” Romero said. “It’s like they stole our memories, our traditions, our history, our pride.”


Midfielder Dani Parejo lifted the trophy after the 2019 Copa del Rey victory over Barcelona.


Parejo’s move to rival Villarreal in August sparked new anger at the owner Peter Lim.

Lim’s critics also point to the clout of another figure in his soccer network, Jorge Mendes, the soccer agent considered to be among the most influential power brokers in soccer.

Even before he bought Valencia, Lim, with Mendes acting as an adviser, had been an active player in soccer’s multibillion-dollar player trading market.

By placing speculative bets on players just as he had once invested in small companies, Lim had hoped to profit from their future sales. The practice was banned by soccer’s governing body FIFA in 2015, a year after Lim bought his majority stake in Valencia. But a feature of Lim’s tenure has been the revolving door of talent, with Mendes often pulling the strings.

For desperate Valencia fans, though, whatever their concerns, Lim still offered a chance of salvation. The 2007 financial crisis had left the club in a bind, caught with two stadiums — its longtime home, the Mestalla, and the half-built shell of a new one that could only be completed with the proceeds from selling the old arena to property developers. Fear of bankruptcy felt real.

Excited by the prospect of restoring the team’s fortunes and completing the Nou Mestalla, fans picketed for the team to be sold to Lim. When his purchase was approved, fans greeted his arrival with the kind of reception usually reserved for a prized signing.

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The flurry of bold promises and predictions made by the officials he installed to run the club, though, failed to materialize. Fans now bemoan not only the state of the first-team squad but also the seemingly whimsical decision-making that has seen a succession of players, coaches and sporting directors come and go, some replaced by questionable appointments seemingly guided by Lim’s personal relationships with Mendes or his connections to the former Manchester United cohort.

Lim appointed Phil Neville as a coach at Valencia in 2015, for example, and then hired his brother, Gary, who had never led a professional team and did not speak Spanish, as the team’s manager. The experiment lasted less than four months, with the team winning only three of Neville’s 16 Liga games.

Front-office appointments were just as curious. Figures with longstanding ties to the team and the city were replaced by executives close to Lim. Newcomers sometimes had little or no prior experience in European soccer.


Lim has at times seemed more interested in his projects with former Manchester United stars like David Beckham than with repairing problems at Valencia.

“If you want to remove the coach and sports director, sign another coach and sports director to build a project,” Gaizka Mendieta, who captained the team in both of its Champions League final appearances, told the Valencia newspaper Las Provincias in December. “But no, what Peter Lim has done is take a step back and return to the model of the beginning, when they arrived.”

Few are predicting a bright future. Valencia still plays at the Mestalla, and its new stadium is no closer to completion. When the team’s leadership sold or released some of the club’s most established talent last summer — including Dani Parejo, the popular captain who had lifted the Copa del Rey only a year earlier — Valencia’s coach, Javi Gracia, threatened to quit.

Murthy said the player sales — more than 70 million euros (about $85 million) came in — were needed to rebalance the club’s books after revenues had been halved by the pandemic. The team remains mired in debt, even after the sales, with more than 400 million euros (nearly $500 million) owed to creditors. And the team’s transfer market dealings under Lim are drawing new scrutiny.


Valencia remains in its longtime home, the famed Mestalla stadium, because it cannot finish construction on its new one.

Murthy, the former Singaporean diplomat installed by Lim as chief executive in 2017, recently told journalists that there was now a new plan, one focused on producing a stream of players from the club’s youth academy who will instill a Valencian core in the squad and return it to greatness.

Murthy predicted a championship within 10 years, a lofty ideal but, to most Valencia fans, an unrealistic one under Lim’s continued ownership. The team, they know, is currently far closer to relegation from La Liga — and another brush with financial ruin — than to its next trophy celebration.

Six years after thousands of fans chanted Peter Lim’s name in the streets, many now clamor just as loudly for his exit.

“The feeling among fans is Peter Lim doesn’t understand where he is,” said Paco Polit, a journalist and contributor to a book about Lim’s stewardship of Valencia. “He never understood how big Valencia was before he came, and now it feels he has left Valencia to die.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/spor ... d=tw-share

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[abraxas]

¿Cómo vais de inglés? El cisma entre la afición y Lim, Murthy & Co. ha llegado al New York Times:

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[Sr_Munny]

Yo lo llevo tiempo diciendo, ganará en comisiones pero la imagen de Meriton está saliendo muy mal parada. Yo no haría negocios con esa persona.

[Sr_Munny]

No sé porque pensaba que Nelo era el senior del foro pero veo que no.

[cimoral]

Yo lo llevo tiempo diciendo, ganará en comisiones pero la imagen de Meriton está saliendo muy mal parada. Yo no haría negocios con esa persona.

Mira si tendrá que ganar, que no le importa tener al bufón de Anal y compañia levantándose 2 kilos o más, cuando cualquier cucaracha sin escrúpulos haría lo mismo por 200 o 300 mil € (que igualmente es un riñón)

Enviado desde mi Redmi Note 8 Pro mediante Tapatalk

[nelo bacora]

No sé porque pensaba que Nelo era el senior del foro pero veo que no.

Que dices

Soy un chaval.

Tonino va antes en lo de las vacunas. Que es más viejo también que la baranda del rio

Y con MA estaré ahí, ahí.

Y otros más seguro. Que en el hilo ese de Te Acuerdas hay quien fumaba Lola


Pero Beltrán ( no te enfades hombre, era broma) si que creo que es el "yayo" del foro.

[abraxas]

Mil disculpas, mías y de tonino, por haber borrado a la vez los mensajes repetidos del "abuelo" del foro, cerveceroche. Tonino ha borrado un mensaje mientras yo borraba el otro. Lo sentimos mucho. De corazón.

Perdón.

[tonino]

Mil disculpas, mías y de tonino, por haber borrado a la vez los mensajes repetidos del "abuelo" del foro, cerveceroche. Tonino ha borrado un mensaje mientras yo borraba el otro. Lo sentimos mucho. De corazón.

Perdón.

Iba a decir que fijaos si cervecero es viejuno y le falla el coco que pensaba que había escrito un post y en realidad se le ha olvidado darle a " enviar".

Sorry cervecero, a ver si apareces más.

[cerveceroche]

Como habréis visto la edad no perdona pero os sigo queriendo, amigos Tonino y Abraxas, un fuerte abrazo a ambos.